Well that was interesting. In less than 24 hours after dealing with the last MS, my mother had a major seizure and fall and I’ve been at the hospital for most of the time and on leave from work. After thinking I’d be planning a funeral, my mother’s prospects have improved. She even opened her eyes today quite a number of times. So I’m feeling very positive about her prognosis.
Regarding manuscripts. My final tally was 13 recommends as number 14 became a represented ms and goes direct to the editors. I found that out after reading it and telling the author I was going to recommend it. It was a good read so I can’t complain really.
Since finishing reading I caught myself dreaming I was reading an ms. I guess it will take me a while to recover and adjust to living without having to read on such a large scale and with such a concentrated effort.
So what did I recommend? I can’t give you specifics and you have to remember I read fantasy mostly.
I recommended one SF novel.
I recommended one trad fantasy/ steam punk meld
I recommended a three of traditional fantasies
I recommended three contemporary/urban fantasies
I recommended one horror/thriller type novel
I recommended one new weird type detective alternate future
I recommended one food fantasy (my term)
I recommended one jungle fantasy (my term)
I recommended one dark traditional fantasy (nice and nasty)
For those of you interested in where these authors are from, I’m done a quick count. However, I read manuscripts from all over the world, including South America and South Africa.
- Australia – one
- USA – four
- Canada – five
- Britain – three
However, I did notice two Australian’s in Amanda’s blog post.
So what did these very different mss have in common?
- Good execution, some amazingly well-written with very little ms errors.
- Original slant/setting almost all had something like this, or if it didn’t it was so well done that I couldn’t pass up.
- Good pacing. I think they all had that, most to a high degree.
- Intensity of character, or at a minimum well drawn characters.
- Minimal backstory/info dumping, or at least well positioned and timely
- A mixture of dark, nasty, and some were optimistic. I tended to pick dark and gritty but not exclusively.
For the mss I passed up. I think I provided some level of comment on all full mss. Sometimes those comments were rather lengthy, some were shorter. In any event, I tried to elaborate on what the issue was. Remember sometimes it was just fit. In a couple of cases, I passed on perfectly good manuscripts because of the current list of publications and proposed publications for Angry Robot Books. This was sad for me and more so for the authors. I do trust those mss to find a home soon.
Some general issues in the second lot of full mss. Pacing was one. For example, the opening was nice and tense and then it would dissipate. This happened for a number of reasons:
back story
- General slowness of action due to style of story telling, amount of detail, or nothing happening to advance the plot
- Issues with world building as in doesn’t stand up or push the boundaries of credibility or reasonableness
- End of story is world’s apart from beginning, so set up at the beginning and lack of foreshadowing (I now realize this is still a problem in one of my mss)
- Introducing too many characters too quickly and without adequate context to settle the reader, allow the reader to care about the character or just adding to the general confusion
- Difficult story arcs, which cause structural issues for the story sometimes leading to predictability or foundering of the story
- Not ready for publication yet, that is the story has a beginning, middle and end but the prose is rough in a number of places, scenes have not been exploited for the action or emotional impact, or more generally a high level of errors, typos, wrong words, missing words, incomplete sentences, untidy, unfinished, perhaps even slackness in a couple.
- Unoriginal in many ways, introducing well worn tropes without introducing something new.
Some of the recommended mss were very well polished. I read them with a sense of awe, particularly the care taken with the world building and the polish to the prose. In reading them, I felt that I had something to aspire to in my own mss.
I’m not sure I have much else to say, rather than repeating what an amazing opportunity reading submissions was and also at the same time, very intense and draining.
Writing comments is not always easy. Sometimes it takes a while to actually pin point what the issues may be and where improvements could be made. I admit to once or twice having a general feeling of an ms not being quite right and then considering it for days to work out what I might say. Responding to an ms requires analysis and creativity. It is not something I could do lightly or while I watched tele, but required concentration and immersion.
So best of luck to those recommended. I will keep an ear out for those who make it to publication. For the rest of us, it’s back to the computer, back to our mss, and continue to write and refine our work.
I’m hoping to put up a few interviews with editors in the coming months and with authors who use first readers, sometimes called beta readers. I’m hoping these interviews will be useful in providing insight into the editing/writing world.
Next up some memories and photos of Colin Harvey, who passed away last week.
Really sorry to hear about your mother, Donna. Let’s hope she gets a full recovery.
Thank you for the good wishes.
Donna,
My best to your mother. Glad to see on Twitter that her eyes opened. I certainly wish her a speedy and full recovery.
Thanks again for all your hard work on this. I especially appreciate your time on my manuscript and for taking the time to let me know your thoughts.
All best,
Darin
Thanks Darin.
Terribly sorry to hear the sad news about your mother. I hope she’ll continue to get better, and will be up and about soon.
Thank you so much for taking the time to wade through all our books. It must have been an exhausting process for you. I think it’s wonderful you’ve gone above and beyond the call of duty by providing feedback. 🙂
I’m curious. Would you ever go through this process again? And did you find the process useful? (I used to crit the writing of a lot of people, and I learned a huge amount about my own writing as a result. I think it’s so much easier to spot the errors in the work of others, as we’re less attached to it.)
Best wishes,
Pete
Hi Peter
I really hope I can use my objective eye on my own work. Previously, when reading slush, I have picked up things that I do myself that are annoying and, as long as I don’t get too cocky, I manage to keep them out of my work. However, it is really important for a writer to develop an objective eye and not cling to words, sentences, paragraphs, scenes or chapters that aren’t doing the job. Finding good beta readers helps too.
Agreed. It’s hard to have an objective eye for our own work, though. As you say, external scrutiny is useful. I shudder to think how bad my writing was when I was starting out, before it was torn apart by “critters”. It was a painful process, but a vital one. Seeing my work through the eyes of others taught me a lot. When I rebuilt things from the ground up, the result was much better (I hope).
I think the tricky bit is finding the right beta readers. When we’re starting out at writing, crit of the nuts and bolts of technique really helps. When we’ve learned how to write fiction, though, I think story is what we really need critted. While it’s useful to have beta readers who are writers, I think it’s often better to have beta readers who know nothing about writing. The budding writers may criticise based on a misunderstanding of rules they’ve learned. A reader will just say whether or not they like something. I think “I stopped reading at chapter A” is far more useful criticism than “There were too many pronouns in paragraph B.”
Pete
ps Great to hear your mum’s hanging in. I hope she recovers soon.
The right beta readers are a trial and error thing. I’ve tried readers who aren’t writers but I found that I didn’t get any criticism at all. Just it was interesting or okay. More advanced writers or published writers are a better cut of beta reader, particularly if you make it really clear you want the bad news not just a pat on the back. I beta read for a number of published writers and sometimes they return the favour for me. I hear what you are saying about newer writers getting hung up on word usage or technique rather than the story arc, the development of the character, the realness of the character, the plausibility of the plot, whether it’s too slow, not enough, too much etc. However, I have found someone pulling apart my technique or writing to be useful too. We can get into patterns and someone seeing something usually means something isn’t right. It was when they don’t see things, is when it is working well.
Best wishes to your mother for a full recovery, Donna!
Many thanks for your good wished. My mum is hanging in there.
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